How should fresh graduates who aspire to be product managers choose their first job?

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Hello everyone, the little girl’s direction is to do Regarding Internet products, I have previously interned in operations positions for more than half a year (while in school), and also interned in web development for about three months. Someone suggested that I do 1-2 years of development before taking a product position. There are currently 3 offers, and I don’t know how to choose:

R&D position.

A wealth group located in Chaoyang CBD. They developed a new project and asked me to be the main force in developing the three modules of the web page (similar to secondary development. The boss basically gave me full responsibility. I refused at first. On the one hand, I was an intern. I have never been in contact with him. On the other hand, it is a matter of distance. Last night, the human resources department said that the boss is willing to offer me a higher salary than any other company to welcome me to join. I don’t know how to reply)

Product post

An A-round company in Zhongguancun Software Park. ,close to home. The product manager said he could take me through a complete process, from early research and planning to late-stage interaction design. He would work five days a week and earn a salary of 3,800+.

Product post.

Wangjing SOHO, working hours are from 9:30 am to 8:30 pm from Monday to Friday and 1:30 pm to 8:30 pm on Saturday (HR said that the company stipulates that if you work overtime until 10 pm on the previous day, you can work in the afternoon the next day Go to work at 1:30), three meals included, monthly salary 5,000+
Today is Friday, all requirements are to join next Monday. My goal is to be a product manager, preferably a product that understands technology. If I must choose one of them, Could you please do an analysis? grateful.

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I don’t care about the first company. I know that Fortune Group is a ruinous place for the product.
The second one is not bad, but the salary is a bit low. And for newcomers, it doesn’t make much sense to go through the entire process. Let’s start by learning to write product documents and cultivate the logic of their thinking.
The third one looks the best so far. First of all, the salary is relatively high; secondly, the overtime work is relatively harsh. Working overtime is meaningless for the elderly, but for newcomers, it is a good exercise that allows you to do a lot of exercises in the shortest time. Any job requires a lot of practice before you can become proficient at it. You can stay in this company for 1 or 2 years. After you become familiar with it, you can consider going to a second such company to broaden your horizons.

1. Don’t worry about the first one. They use you as a disposable temporary worker. They don’t want to make a real “product” themselves. They just want to quickly modify the ready-made open source system and try your luck. , it has no meaning for your career other than making some pocket money.
   
2. The second and third situations are not detailed enough to make a judgment. At least you need to know the team situation and the specific direction of the product, and you only mentioned salary... Please add something.

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To be a product manager, you do not have to participate in R&D work. If you want to be a product manager, just choose the job of a product manager directly. You have also done front-end development, and you already understand technology better than most product managers today.
For the time being, choose the one close to your home. To be honest, the second and third jobs are not very good. The salary of the second job is too low, and the third job has too much overtime. It's better to temporarily work in No. 2 with a learning attitude, accumulate some experience, and then continue to look for a more suitable job. Thanks for the invitation.
Forget about the first one. I just graduated. Money may be dirt but it’s not gold either. Time is.
Many people suggest the third one, and I recommend the second one, if it is true as he said. The second one is the most worth visiting. However, there are many companies that have died in Series A. I wonder if they will not survive Series B?
As for the third company, overtime happens in every company, so it’s not surprising. Thank you!
After reading other people’s opinions, they make sense. Of course, everyone has their own opinions. It will be different due to different experiences, so I am just giving you a reference opinion, hoping to give you some inspiration.
The first one, the boss is a rich man, which means he is rich but not educated. For a fresh graduate to be offered a higher salary than others, either you are really good, or he is very uneducated. Judging from what you said, I should prefer the second one. Such a boss will only be hot-headed for a while, and what he promises you is only temporary. If you can't achieve the goals he expected, and can't complete it as scheduled and with quality and quantity, he will fall out with you at any time! Moreover, for this kind of project to be completed by an inexperienced fresh graduate, it shows how bad the company is. There is no one who can lead you and teach you things.Progress by self-study is very slow and it will always be millet plus rifle.
Conclusion: It is strongly not recommended to go to the first one.

The introduction of the second and third companies is not very detailed, especially the third one. A little analysis here.

The second family promises to take you through a complete project process. This is the biggest attraction. It allows you to learn a lot of things that you have never been exposed to before, and you know how to do a project. What kind of problems will be encountered during the process, how to solve them, various configurations of resources, etc. This is of course based on the premise that your company is reliable, that is, the company must have a certain scale (to ensure the professionalism of teaching you things), and really give you the opportunity to come into contact with this thing.
Let’s talk about the bad, the second company’s salary is a bit low. I’m not sure that the salary in your industry is like this. I suggest you learn more about it, or try to understand the salary structure of this company. If the company It's reliable. There will be a very complete salary structure, but I am very skeptical when I see this salary.

The third company basically only saw overtime information and nothing else. However, I think when making products, you will definitely be exposed to the complete process of the product. Otherwise, how can it be called a product? ! They didn’t directly tell you to take you through the complete project process, but maybe they are already used to it! It is recommended that you call the other party again to understand some details. As for the salary, it is relatively reliable. I suggest you provide more information to help with analysis.

The final conclusion is that the boss of the first company is not reliable, the salary of the second company shows that the company is not reliable, and the third company does not have much information but has not found anything unreliable. Recommend the third one! Thank you for the invitation

I have thought too much. If it were me, I would definitely find someone with the highest salary...lol;
Learning technology does not necessarily require you to start with hello word, and it is not necessarily required for product managers to know how to do it. Technology;
As an early product assistant, you only need to understand the product process (business process, operating process, this is important. You must learn to draw flow charts, branch processes, exception processes) and data (input data, display data) That's enough;

Then, walk through the product process once or several times, and feel what a product manager should do and how to do it in a large company; keep a good diary and weekly diary, and you can be a product manager in two or three years. ;

Which company do you think you can learn more product manager knowledge from, go to that company; It’s hard for girls to work overtime and stay up late in the technical field. Let’s just make products. Thank you for the invitation. Her experience is similar to mine. I had an internship in front-end development for half a year and then transferred to work on products.
First of all, You don’t have to be technical to make products. At that time, I was switching from front-end to product, and it took nearly a year to learn + practice front-end. I felt very unsure about giving up technology and making products that I had never touched before. But from my postgraduate practical experience and internship experience, I can confirm that I am not suitable for technology. I am more interested in things other than technology, such as products and markets. Putting aside the familiar environment, I can only say to follow your heart at this time! When I started to intern on products, I found that technical experience can help me make judgments, but it has little impact if my colleagues are not technical. Being a product manager pays more attention to thinking.
Secondly, leadership is very important. I have now gone through school recruitment and confirmed my workplace. Although I couldn't stay in the internship unit, I still admired the ability and charm of the original product boss. I learned a lot from him. During the school recruitment process, I also encountered multiple opportunities to choose from, including familiar products, popular product directions, high salaries, leadership attention, and good leadership. Finally, I chose a good leader and a product direction I like. For product managers who have just entered the industry, a salary difference of several thousand won't matter. The most important task at this stage is to learn things quickly, learn from the right people and get exercise, and avoid detours. I think this is the most important trade-off in the job search process.
Finally, listen to your heart. Whether we are looking for a job or in daily life, we will face all kinds of noise intrusions. When we weigh things rationally, we don’t want to give up anything, and we want everything. At this time, we will really feel entangled and sad, and have no intention of doing anything. At this time, we often already have a choice in our hearts, just because we are too greedy. We listen to our hearts and believe that looking back, all our efforts and dedication can be connected to create a satisfactory self. Is the starting salary of product managers in Beijing only this low now?
A monthly salary of less than 10,000 yuan means that people don’t regard you as a product manager, but as an administrative assistant. 1. You don’t have to be able to develop to be a manager, but being able to develop helps product managers.
I very much agree with a point above: To be a manager, you don’t have to be able to develop. Let me add: But being able to develop helps product managers. (If the development is lazy, I will implement it myself)
I am a developer, and our former project manager was a planner. (Mobile gaming industry.)
Why? Because he has more experience than any of our developers, knows the product process, and knows many rules and regulations in the industry.

2. My experience in the entrepreneurial team is for reference. Small companies need to know everything.
My personal suggestion is that the first thing you said is not that you can’t learn anything in this industry. You really need to learn how to go to a small company.
My personal experience is that I once joined a startup team to do development. Every day I chased other development colleagues and managers to ask why, and the questions they asked were not necessarily about development. But it’s true that my experience and knowledge have grown explosively, oh, so that’s it. From the entire project source code to flow charts and business UML, all the way to the original chief developer (main program) who left the company after questioning. From development, inquiry to planning, from planning inquiry to art, of course I am a server developer and have to deal with operations. So basically you can learn about different parts of the entire mobile game, but not much is learned about development.
In the end, I resigned and went to graduate school, only to find out that my boss and manager actually wanted to keep me as the person in charge of another project. They were training and inspecting me...
When I said goodbye, my boss said that the rest was all about calculating my salary every day. People who were charged 5 cents or a piece...

3. What is your purpose?
We are still young, and spending a few years studying and thinking is more important than salary, because in the future, only salary will be considered when deciding the direction.
If you want to learn, then I think the person who guides you is very important.
If you want to be decent, then go to a big company.
If you are thinking about the salary at first, then whichever company gives you more money should go to whichever company.

I have personally experienced that in a small team, you can easily access different resources and departments. If you learn to work in a space faster, ask more.
There is another thing that big companies cannot compare with. That is, small companies’ personal abilities improve along with the company, but big companies start at a very high level.

First job: You don’t have to be a product manager. Many people are transferred to product managers later, but they will definitely be exposed to the entire product process.
Large companies have high cohesion and low coupling, while small companies have high coupling and low cohesion. It’s not a bad idea if you can work as an assistant to a product manager or a related position in a large company.

After typing so many words, it turns out she is a girl who knows php. I think it would be more practical to marry a good girl.